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Very interesting case outcome for a UK Dr.
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Very interesting case outcome for a UK Dr. Compliments of the BBC News ..Birmingham and Black Country Dr. David Mackereth loses trans beliefs case Disability assessor Dr. David Mackereth from Dudley West Midlands claimed the Department for Work and Pensions breached is right to freedom of thought , conscience and religion. But a panel ruled his religious view of what is and Female was " Incompatible with human dignity ." Dr. Mackereth intends to appeal..The hearing he was told to address the complainant as " madam " in conjunction with any person does not view themselves as any form of gender, Dr. Mackereth said he refused to refer to any 6 foot tall man with a beard as " madam "following a conversation with a manager at an assessment center . The tribunal panel sitting in Birmingham -found the DWP had not breached the Equality Act ..It stated that there was no contravention and dismissed the complaints ...This is deeply concerning and as Dr. Mackereth stated , " Without intellectual and moral integrity , medicine cannot function and in my 30 years as a Doctor that is now being questioned and considered irrelevant compared to the risk that someone may get their feelings hurt and be offended." I believed that i have to appeal ,he went on to state ," In order to fight for my right as a Christian I feel that my right to freedom of speech and freedom has died, I as a Christian have not wavered in my teachings as a Christian that God made two genders , and female and now i have to adjust to a belief whereas i have to , as a free citizen , adhere to compelled speech, first time in history that a judge has made that ruling." A spokesperson of the DWP said" We acted to protect a claimant from behaviour that would have failed to treat them with dignity so the DWP welcomes the ruling and expects all of their assessors to approach their work sensitively." ****** Boy thats a touchy one is it not peeps? Welcome any comments if its not anything nasty no offence to transgender people on the site ..its an information only post...Whose rights were violated here ? We believe or taught to believe in certain things throughout our lives and its sad really to think now forced speech within boundaries can have such an effect especially if someone is going to be , " judged" for their freedom of speech to practice what they believe ..keep in mind this goes both ways ... |
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10/4/2019 3:00 am |
Its a stickler for sure..
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10/4/2019 3:36 am |
and the pendulum swings to the right and the pendulum swings to the left yet never to stop in the middle so shall it be with one's rights there is a world of difference between insanity and stupidity
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"Transgender", is merely a man, or woman, changing their outward appearance to match the way the man, or woman, feels about their self. "Their self". That's important. That means they have this illusion or delusion of being another gender. ...And yes, there are ONLY 2 genders. The doctor sees a 6ft bearded man , he should be under no obligation whatsoever to refer to him as , "Madam". The 6ft bearded man has his illusion or delusion. That doesn't mean the public [nor the Doctor] has to play along with that person illusion , or delusion, of their SELF. This idea pushed on the public to play along with these people suffering gender dysphoria is completely absurd. As stated in the article, "gender is defined by biology and genetics" , and bone structure, is not a "Belief", it's a fact. Religion is a belief, mentioning something about what a god made is a "Belief". Ruling this Doctor lose his job because he doesn't play along with an individuals illusion or delusion or THEIR OWN gender identity, is ludicrous. The courts should not have this power to ruin a person life because a man , or woman, has this gender dysphoria problem and wants everyone to play along.
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When you are a doctor for a public agency you are not free to express your personal religious beliefs about God and gender. You are carrying out the public policy of that agency. So you have to use gender neutral terminology to respect the client's view of his or her gender. If you cannot do that then you have to not take on that public role. As in recuse yourself or quit that line of work. Similar to the Kentucky clerk who refused to sign marriage licenses for same gender couples. She was not doing her job, so she should quit or have a person to delegate that task to and allow the public to get the legal benefit of marriage that was allowed by law. It is called the rule of law, not the rule of your personal religious beliefs.
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Gender is a social construct and not just anatomy. There are people with sex organs that are not just male or female. There are also people with sex chromosomes that are not XX or XY. Life is not as simple as you imagine.
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10/4/2019 4:21 am |
 Its crazy
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10/4/2019 4:31 am |
Gender is a social construct and not just anatomy. There are people with sex organs that are not just male or female. There are also people with sex chromosomes that are not XX or XY. Life is not as simple as you imagine.
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10/4/2019 4:32 am |
yes true that statement and its coming a time and well basically we are asked to change our wording specifically to address people who consider themselves as neither gender or transgender...
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10/4/2019 4:35 am |
and the pendulum swings to the right and the pendulum swings to the left yet never to stop in the middle so shall it be with one's rights
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10/4/2019 4:40 am |
"Transgender", is merely a man, or woman, changing their outward appearance to match the way the man, or woman, feels about their self. "Their self". That's important. That means they have this illusion or delusion of being another gender. ...And yes, there are ONLY 2 genders. The doctor sees a 6ft bearded man , he should be under no obligation whatsoever to refer to him as , "Madam". The 6ft bearded man has his illusion or delusion. That doesn't mean the public [nor the Doctor] has to play along with that person illusion , or delusion, of their SELF. This idea pushed on the public to play along with these people suffering gender dysphoria is completely absurd. As stated in the article, "gender is defined by biology and genetics" , and bone structure, is not a "Belief", it's a fact. Religion is a belief, mentioning something about what a god made is a "Belief". Ruling this Doctor lose his job because he doesn't play along with an individuals illusion or delusion or THEIR OWN gender identity, is ludicrous. The courts should not have this power to ruin a person life because a man , or woman, has this gender dysphoria problem and wants everyone to play along.
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10/4/2019 4:41 am |
Its crazy
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10/4/2019 4:51 am |
When you are a doctor for a public agency you are not free to express your personal religious beliefs about God and gender. You are carrying out the public policy of that agency. So you have to use gender neutral terminology to respect the client's view of his or her gender. If you cannot do that then you have to not take on that public role. As in recuse yourself or quit that line of work. Similar to the Kentucky clerk who refused to sign marriage licenses for same gender couples. She was not doing her job, so she should quit or have a person to delegate that task to and allow the public to get the legal benefit of marriage that was allowed by law. It is called the rule of law, not the rule of your personal religious beliefs.
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I think the whole world has gone PC mad!! , Nobody can say anything without fear of reprisal. I agree with Heathen.... (he can be quite sensible sometimes)!! But Redmustang has a good point.. If you can't carry out your job despite your beliefs. should you be in that job? It's like a vegan going to work in a slaughterhouse, and then refusing to kill the animal ... you wouldn't last long there. I think most people need to get a grip, it's like this "women of colour" crap, you're black, or mixed race not fucking purple!!
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This PC crap becomes more disturbing by the minute. Let folks alone who think they are a woman in a male physique. Let folks alone who feel they are a male in a female form. Call them by the name they ask you to call them by and leave the gender out of fit. And any doctor who tried to impose his religious "crap" one me is in for a long haul. A medical physician is to treat illness, not impose his beliefs or withhold treatment because the patient doesnt fit the "normal profile" of the practitioner. I do not think he should lose his position with the employer but he needs to take a good long look at how he would like to be treated/addressed were he in the same portion of his life.. We are back to the bathroom issue again (Virtual Symposium Group) use Virtual Symposium Group
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10/4/2019 10:38 am |
I think the whole world has gone PC mad!! , Nobody can say anything without fear of reprisal. I agree with Heathen.... (he can be quite sensible sometimes)!! But Redmustang has a good point.. If you can't carry out your job despite your beliefs. should you be in that job? It's like a vegan going to work in a slaughterhouse, and then refusing to kill the animal ... you wouldn't last long there. I think most people need to get a grip, it's like this "women of colour" crap, you're black, or mixed race not fucking purple!!
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10/4/2019 10:44 am |
This PC crap becomes more disturbing by the minute. Let folks alone who think they are a woman in a male physique. Let folks alone who feel they are a male in a female form. Call them by the name they ask you to call them by and leave the gender out of fit. And any doctor who tried to impose his religious "crap" one me is in for a long haul. A medical physician is to treat illness, not impose his beliefs or withhold treatment because the patient doesnt fit the "normal profile" of the practitioner. I do not think he should lose his position with the employer but he needs to take a good long look at how he would like to be treated/addressed were he in the same portion of his life.. We are back to the bathroom issue again
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Was blogging on this subject recently - him/her/they. I can understand society wishing to be all inclusive these days regardless of gender, race, religion, upbringing, background, etc - that can only be a good thing. But there's something about bending over backwards about not wishing to upset people just because someone wants to be addressed "they" - let them say how they want to be called rather than a committee decide on behalf of the rest of us.
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The judge has set a very precarious precedent by taking his job away. How many other doctors are going to lose their jobs because he , or SHE, thinks referring to a man as a madam is ridiculous? This is not good. Society is allowing mentally bothered people to set standards.
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Gender is a social construct and not just anatomy. There are people with sex organs that are not just male or female. There are also people with sex chromosomes that are not XX or XY. Life is not as simple as you imagine. If you can't carry out your job despite your beliefs. should you be in that job?.... The doctor is/was perfectly able to do his job, he just wouldn't use a female pronoun or noun "Madam" to describe his patient. This upset the patient. .... The patient is wrong, and should let the doctor do his clinical observation and workup.
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Polital correctness run amok. How dare we have a thought, an emotion or belief. How dare we express such thought, emotion or belief. Only rules, regulations and the government are allowed to tell us what to believe and say.
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10/5/2019 2:10 am |
Was blogging on this subject recently - him/her/they. I can understand society wishing to be all inclusive these days regardless of gender, race, religion, upbringing, background, etc - that can only be a good thing. But there's something about bending over backwards about not wishing to upset people just because someone wants to be addressed "they" - let them say how they want to be called rather than a committee decide on behalf of the rest of us.
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10/5/2019 2:18 am |
No.. gender is not a social construct. Media panders to those barking the loudest, or putting up the most money behind an event , to make something seem like a social construct. Media did this with the concept of Political Correctness, too. ..... But clearly when push comes to shove, people are not REALLY politically correct. Just as society is not REALLY accepting of these people with gender dysphoria. If you can't carry out your job despite your beliefs. should you be in that job?.... The doctor is/was perfectly able to do his job, he just wouldn't use a female pronoun or noun "Madam" to describe his patient. This upset the patient. .... The patient is wrong, and should let the doctor do his clinical observation and workup.
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10/5/2019 2:25 am |
Polital correctness run amok. How dare we have a thought, an emotion or belief. How dare we express such thought, emotion or belief. Only rules, regulations and the government are allowed to tell us what to believe and say.
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Part of the job is not offending the trans person. If you cannot do that then you are not doing the public job. In private you can think anything or say just about anything. When serving the public you are carrying out the public policy. If you cannot do that then do not do that job.
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Part of the job is not offending the trans person. If you cannot do that then you are not doing the public job. In private you can think anything or say just about anything. When serving the public you are carrying out the public policy. If you cannot do that then do not do that job. Society cannot and, should not, go about destroying a medical practitioners career based on someone being offended. When the dude feels like he should be addressed as woman, and the doctor doesn't? Then he should go find a doctor who will play along with his confusion if that is more important than a doctor seeing to his overall health. The doctor is not serving the public, the doctor is seeing to the health of the patients who visit the office for medical reasons. And no doctor should be legally forced to play along with a patients delusions.
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