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Ushawu 50M
14 posts
5/1/2019 7:21 pm
AFF/Passion is a fraud.

If you are a Gold member reading this, take note of what I about to write and spread the word. Anyone wishing to contact can do so via Ushawu or the Book of Face.

I have confirmed (reply from technical support follows) only Gold members can read and reply to messages, even if the message was sent from a Gold member. This is not what was written in the membership description when I joined and I suspect it wasn't when you got your membership either.

Furthermore, I have just received a message from someone I have been talking with for weeks I know outside of this site which starts with "I see you are a new member here". I contacted her and confirmed she did not send message.

Combine with all the fake accounts and I forced to conclude this site is now primarily fraudulent. Subsequently, I have cancelled my membership.


Dear Member,

Thank you for contacting us.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Unfortunately, standard members will no longer be able to read and reply to an sent to them unless they upgrade to gold. If the message is initiated by a premium (gold) members who has purchased the standard contact feature, standard members will be able to read and reply to those messages.

Please let us know if we can assist you with any further questions.

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Bennafe A.
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5/1/2019 7:37 pm


lonelybackagain 46F
24 posts
5/1/2019 7:49 pm

Not to mention all the accounts I "view" that I have never actually set eyes on...

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Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 5:59 am:
Oh, yes, I forgot about that. Every time I wrote to someone who had "viewed my profile" they told me they hadn't. I assumed it was from that quickview window that opens whenever your mouse crosses over someone, not actual fraud, but now that I've received a message from someone that confirmed they didn't send it I'm thinking otherwise.

redrockrascal 61M
21495 posts
5/1/2019 8:13 pm

only Gold members can read and reply to messages, even if the message was sent from a Gold member.

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Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 7:09 am:
Not that ancient -- I was having conversations with Standard members up until a few days ago and I've confirmed in both the emailed receipt and the charges to my credit card that I had not paid for the "Standard Contact" option.

lonlyforlove2 77M
7429 posts
5/1/2019 8:28 pm

the site is full of messages and views from those that are not, even puts you on IM when you are not.. It is what it is, and it is getting different each day.. I have paid gold for years, and with the last round of modifications, it is not worth my while to continue.. So I got till Dec paid then , I turn into Santa...

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agedfun1 72M
593 posts
5/1/2019 8:38 pm

No sense in doing a search for anyone other than other gold members. They are the only ones that can read your initial message. Just another money grab. All the standard members will be ignored. I wonder then how do all the fake standard members managed to send you a message if they can't even view your profile.

Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 6:12 am:
That is an excellent point. I don't know about your experience, but every standard member that I received replies from told me in "her" first email outside of AdultFriendFinder/Passion that she actually lives in Russia and "has no idea" why her profile says she lives in whatever city it says. I'm not sure what the end game is for those particular fake profiles. Do they expect someone to send them money to visit? Is it a phishing scam?

At least the fake Gold membership ones have some little story about why they are currently trapped somewhere in Africa. You'd think, after all these years of running that scam, at least one of them would upgrade their English skills and knowledge of Western culture so they can sell their story a little more believably. I guess someone must be falling for it though since they're still doing it more than a decade since the first time I was contacted by an "African fraud".

nafurescandy 49F
30 posts
5/1/2019 9:50 pm

    Quoting agedfun1:
    No sense in doing a search for anyone other than other gold members. They are the only ones that can read your initial message. Just another money grab. All the standard members will be ignored. I wonder then how do all the fake standard members managed to send you a message if they can't even view your profile.
There are two ways they can. One the gold member pays for it and two the standard member can pay to access an individual profile etc.

nafurescandy 49F
30 posts
5/1/2019 9:57 pm

I hear what you're saying but you're wrong. Standard members have never been able to reply unless you as a gold member pays for it or they pay a one time fee per profile access.
The person who you got the message from is probably either an ambassador or part of the ice breaker program. Automatic messages get sent to new members by the site from you if you join.
I have been on for several years and have met a few guys from here. So yes some are fake but this site is not a fraud.

Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 6:22 am:
I've had several conversations "this round" on AdultFriendFinder/Passion with standard members, so this is either something relatively new or they accidentally gave me free "Standard Member Can Contact" with my regular Gold membership that ran out.

I presume these new problems with fake views and fake "on IM now" and fake messages started when AdultFriendFinder became Passion, because more than a decade ago when it was just AdultFriendFinder I never encountered any of these problems. Almost everyone I contacted back then was real.

Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 6:59 am:
I checked that my credit card was only charged for the Gold membership, yet I've been having conversations with at least a dozen Standard members until a few days ago, half of which continued outside AdultFriendFinder, so with respect, I'm not wrong. Also, I've met real people from this site as well, so I appreciate that there are actual people here; but fake views, getting a message from someone I know IRL that didn't send it, and now this bait-and-switch -- that's fraud.

tresennui 65F  
2458 posts
5/1/2019 10:36 pm

It sucks, but very few dating/social sites allow non-paying members to communicate in any way. Here, though limited for non-paying members, there are blogs, chat rooms, IM, magazine articles to comment about, and cams etc. So you get a lot for what you aren’t paying for.

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Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 6:49 am:
I've never heard of a dating site where paid members couldn't get responses from non-paying members. Which sites do this? Until a few days ago I was having no problem getting replies from Standard members here -- at least a dozen conversations ...some of them actual people.

Yours_4A_knight 55M
1338 posts
5/2/2019 1:21 am

You should remember that this is not a free service but a business venture. For them it is all about the money, . .however they do engage in fraudulent practices to lead people to believe that there is more going on here than there really is, sorry that you were surprised by that.

Adding to that the general background of people ready to use the anonymity of the internet to do shady things and yes you have to be careful and somewhat cynical.

However, I do hear that some people have been successful and do actually meet people. For me it has been a long time but there are women who I am sure could meet 30 guys a month if they chose, well at least supposed to be able to, I guess they guys who have that opportunity can be a fickle lot.

I don't intend to renew, and didn't the last time but I guess I had auto renew on when I didn't intend to.

Honestly this site is from my prospective no worse or better than any other,

Not the Whole Truth but the truth that I can see.

Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 6:45 am:
I first joined AdultFriendFinder in 2004 and never encountered any of the fraudulent activity (other than the odd fake profile) that seems rampant now. My previous experiences with AdultFriendFinder throughout the years were quite positive, and I would have recommended AdultFriendFinder to anyone. This time, however, the fake profiles and fake views far outnumber any real contacts I've made, and now with the bait-and-switch about Standard members not being able to reply (I had over a dozen conversations with Standard members until only a few days ago when my membership was due to renew) and to top it off a fake message from someone I actually know ...well, what can I say other than it's a real shame the site has deteriorated to what it has become now.

1st_downonu 64M
362 posts
5/2/2019 4:16 am

I understand limiting standard members, But AdultFriendFinder lies about, then sets you up with fakes so your chances to communicate are slim. Women have a better chance here than men.

2Saltie2 26F

5/2/2019 5:08 am

Another standard member whinner. I believe it has been over a week since the last one. What took you so long? And thanks. Now more blogs will come along with standards complaining not enough free stuff.

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Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 6:35 am:
I was a paid Gold member, and I've been a paid AdultFriendFinder member on and off since 2004. I see now the "Standards Contact" has changed since my last upgrade and now states that Standard members can't read or reply to Gold members, and that's not what it said when I paid for my membership. Why would you defend a clear bait-and-switch tactic, particularly considering that no other paid site that I'm aware of requires "two-way" paid membership for both parties to read and reply to messages.

Naughtypursuit 52F  
2598 posts
5/2/2019 5:52 am

I can communicate with non-members when I become their fan. We exchange messages all the time, no issues.

Ushawu replies on 5/2/2019 7:14 am:
Yes, and you can even initiate contact as a Standard member if you become someone's #1 Fan.

MyBaffies 50M
4257 posts
5/2/2019 9:46 am

They change the "features" so often on this site that they should offer anyone who has upgraded a refund** if they feel the new site no longer offers them what they have paid for.

When you sign a new mobile phone contract or some kind of paid subscription (TV, broadband, etc), they offer you a refund if their terms and conditions change by a significant amount.

But here they don't even publish what changes they are making. They introduce them and that's when we find out about the new "feature" and we have to like it or lump it.

** refund for five months paid for subscription but not actually used, for example.


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redrockrascal 61M
21495 posts
5/2/2019 4:23 pm

    Quoting  :

Not sure what your point is here. I use the blogs as a way to interact with people I've connected with who aren't local, and to fill in time (and in the past collect points) while awaiting a woman who is interesting and local to join the site(s). When someone comes along I communicate with them via IM or the message center (using points).

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