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secret_lade 46F
5286 posts
5/28/2020 3:10 pm
There is a time and place for everything.


However, this is neither the time nor the place for your hoochie momma shorts and tank top.

Imagine my surprise when I went to collect the new employee for onboarding and there she stood, half naked, like she just stopped in to pick up a bottled water on the way to the beach.

Really?!

What the fuck are you thinking?! This is a WORK day.

"Hi, are you [new employee]?"

"Yes"

"Ok, I'm going to start with this real quick, and then we are going to head back to do our intake questions and have our temp taken. This is technically a work day for you as you are being paid to come in and onboard with me. That said, you are dressed inappropriately for work today. I will go over the dress code policy with you in more detail in a bit, but tomorrow when you come to do orientation, I will expect you to be within dress code guidelines or I will need to send you home."

Silence

"When they called me on the phone they didn't say anything about how I should dress...."

Um, you can't figure this one out on your own?

All eyes were on us as I walked her to the back room to do her intake questions and get her temp taken. You could have heard a pin drop.

Everyone was wondering whether or not I would send her home.

Ultimately, I chose not to. The onboarding process takes a half hour to 45 minutes and I didn't really have time to dink around with her later. As I told Boss #2, apparently the time has come that I have to be specific over the phone that appropriate work attire is expected when you onboard and when you attend orientation.

It was quite the topic of conversation for quite a while.

It's pretty sad when I have to tell a new employee that rips and tears are not acceptable work attire, that clothing can not have fading in inappropriate areas, and that you must come to work wearing clothing that covers your fucking ass cheeks.

We're working with the public here, people!

On an unrelated topic.... I'm beginning to wonder if Nose Hairs has been reading this blog on the sly. His comment about the Advil today... Kind of has me wondering.

Rodri89Jungle 40M
21 posts
6/26/2020 9:49 am

Cuando pensaba que la vida se volvería difícil, aburrida, y dura, apareciste tú de repente para hacerme sentir esa felicidad y esa ilusión indescriptible. Me hiciste grande, me haces gigante mi amor.
Te pido que en esta vida perdones mis errores ya que nunca querré hacerte daño, te pido que disculpes si de amarte tanto, no te amo como más te gustaría. Te pido que nunca cambies por nada, porque yo siempre te regalaré todo mi amor.
No hay nada de lo queme sienta más orgullosa, que de haber apostado por ti. Sin duda eso es lo que más bien me ha hecho y me está haciendo en la vida. Te quiero por encima de mis intereses, y te agradezco todo lo que me das.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
6/21/2020 4:42 pm

    Quoting JustLookn439:
    Whenever I've started a new job, I have explicitly asked, once I was given a start date, what the expected dress code is for the position. This may seem like a silly question for someone my age, but codes do change. When I first started certain positions expected TIES and DRESSES. Thank GOD that NO ONE seems to wear FUCKING TIES anymore. Still, business casual is a safe bet for office jobs. You can always dress down the next day if it appears you're overdressed. No one ever complains about you being OVER-DRESSED...but they sure will, if UNDER-DRESSED.
Seeing everyone during the interview should have clued her in... Even then, she had an idea of what to expect for dress code. I don't feel sorry for these people, basic common sense tells you not to go to work dressed for the beach. Even the most relaxed retailers don't let you do that.


JustLookn439 54M

6/21/2020 9:10 am

Whenever I've started a new job, I have explicitly asked, once I was given a start date, what the expected dress code is for the position. This may seem like a silly question for someone my age, but codes do change. When I first started certain positions expected TIES and DRESSES. Thank GOD that NO ONE seems to wear FUCKING TIES anymore. Still, business casual is a safe bet for office jobs. You can always dress down the next day if it appears you're overdressed. No one ever complains about you being OVER-DRESSED...but they sure will, if UNDER-DRESSED.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
6/19/2020 7:14 pm

    Quoting DiscreteFunSkr17:
    Ah casual Friday everyday isn't the dress code of the new or latest generation. Come as feel today so you are in your Safe Place Don't let anyone rock your boat or watch the phone come out if not already glued to the hand and posts to every social media platform crying about how they were treated.

    As they say Grow Up and Join Life, Play Time is Over, Everything is NOT given to you on a Silver plater.

    You should have said No Pay today, Go Home and when you are ready to an employee give me a call.
This newer generation is certainly not ready for the real world. If you aren't kissing their ass with praise just for showing up for work then you are the worst employer ever. I'm a little concerned by this.


DiscreteFunSkr17 59M
121 posts
6/19/2020 5:19 pm

Ah casual Friday everyday isn't the dress code of the new or latest generation. Come as feel today so you are in your Safe Place Don't let anyone rock your boat or watch the phone come out if not already glued to the hand and posts to every social media platform crying about how they were treated.

As they say Grow Up and Join Life, Play Time is Over, Everything is NOT given to you on a Silver plater.

You should have said No Pay today, Go Home and when you are ready to an employee give me a call.


SpoGirl2002 18F
23 posts
6/17/2020 2:21 pm

Thanks


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:22 pm

    Quoting mufdiver69er2:
    professionally i get it....but do you hear yourself? yada yada younger generation...you finally did it...turned into your parents...whatever will this world come to.....lmfao....
That's ok, I don't mind.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:22 pm

    Quoting Blueyedguy823:
    The first job I didn't get back in the day, I was dressed in jeans, a t-shirt and tennis shoes. I remember my dad questioning what I was wearing. I was qualified enough for it, but I was 17 and didn't have enough brains to get a clue. I didn't get the job and wondered why. My dad suggested I call and find out why. I remember his voice "Just call and get really honest with them. Ask them why because you want to improve for your next job interview." The HR person told me flat out. She wasn't angry, she didn't even seem judging. She just told me... you have to dress appropriately for a job interview and you weren't dressed that way. I told her thank you very much. My dad said write her a thank you note for the lesson. I did. I met her at a neighborhood party a couple of years later. I was a going into my junior year of college. She told me she still had the note hanging above her desk.
I got a job as a sales girl in a clothing store solely based on how I was dressed for the interview. No kidding! I was told by the store manager later on that she didn't care if I could sell anything, I could put together an outfit.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:15 pm

    Quoting WyoCowboy7751:
    Had a Job where I would Check-In & Check-Out Employees, Visitors & Interviewees .
    Would see both Guys & Gals that were Overdressed or Underdressed . They are interviewing for a Position in a Huge Warehouse ! Knowing that ! It would make You wonder about the Guy that would show up in a 3 piece Suit or Gal in a Dress with dangling earrings, neck-less or neck-lessees ! Then there were the Guys & Gals that showed up in T- Shirts, Shorts & all manner of footwear !! I had a High percentage of guessing which ones that would come out with a, Letter of Hire, which had date & time too come back for 2 days of Orientation & those that came out Empty handed !
    It does appear that the days of knowing , Proper Wear , for an Interview are things of the Past, as Generations of Age Progress !!!
I feel like we're doing a disservice to ourselves by letting this happen. I had to take a required class in college that was entirely about getting a job. We had mock interviews where even our clothing and speech were critiqued by other professors and business owners. They should be doing this in high school!


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:11 pm

    Quoting pocogato12:
    Having been in retail, I am no longer surprised by the 18-30 crowd that has not clue 1 about dress codes and has no work ethic. I would rather show up over-dressed than poorly attired. At least I could say I was trying to cover two interviews on the same day
I told boss #2 that every time I see a floor associate in dress code violation, I was going to give their manager a call. I had to make 3 calls today, each violation had already been witnessed by their manager and the manager had chosen to turn a blind eye to it. That quickly changed when they realized I had pointed it out to boss #2.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:03 pm

    Quoting jajo696:
    Sorry to put more on the teachers...but .....evidently lots is not being taught in the home.....a direct result of children having children. Interview skills, appropriate attire, table manners, manners in general, writing a check, balancing the books, interest rates compounding, applying for mortgages, patching/ sewing a hole or buttons, basic cooking and how to put out a cooking fire. Life skills that are needed in the real world should be a graduation requirement. Jus my dos centavos ~~
This is what happens when they don't have classes like home economics and Life Skills as required courses.


jajo696 65F
2121 posts
5/29/2020 11:38 am

Sorry to put more on the teachers...but .....evidently lots is not being taught in the home.....a direct result of children having children. Interview skills, appropriate attire, table manners, manners in general, writing a check, balancing the books, interest rates compounding, applying for mortgages, patching/ sewing a hole or buttons, basic cooking and how to put out a cooking fire. Life skills that are needed in the real world should be a graduation requirement. Jus my dos centavos ~~


pocogato12 68F  
33568 posts
5/29/2020 8:41 am

Having been in retail, I am no longer surprised by the 18-30 crowd that has not clue 1 about dress codes and has no work ethic. I would rather show up over-dressed than poorly attired. At least I could say I was trying to cover two interviews on the same day

(Virtual Symposium Group) use Virtual Symposium Group


WyoCowboy7751 67M
614 posts
5/29/2020 6:37 am

Had a Job where I would Check-In & Check-Out Employees, Visitors & Interviewees .
Would see both Guys & Gals that were Overdressed or Underdressed . They are interviewing for a Position in a Huge Warehouse ! Knowing that ! It would make You wonder about the Guy that would show up in a 3 piece Suit or Gal in a Dress with dangling earrings, neck-less or neck-lessees ! Then there were the Guys & Gals that showed up in T- Shirts, Shorts & all manner of footwear !! I had a High percentage of guessing which ones that would come out with a, Letter of Hire, which had date & time too come back for 2 days of Orientation & those that came out Empty handed !
It does appear that the days of knowing , Proper Wear , for an Interview are things of the Past, as Generations of Age Progress !!!


Blueyedguy823 53M  
450 posts
5/29/2020 6:04 am

The first job I didn't get back in the day, I was dressed in jeans, a t-shirt and tennis shoes. I remember my dad questioning what I was wearing. I was qualified enough for it, but I was 17 and didn't have enough brains to get a clue. I didn't get the job and wondered why. My dad suggested I call and find out why. I remember his voice "Just call and get really honest with them. Ask them why because you want to improve for your next job interview." The HR person told me flat out. She wasn't angry, she didn't even seem judging. She just told me... you have to dress appropriately for a job interview and you weren't dressed that way. I told her thank you very much. My dad said write her a thank you note for the lesson. I did. I met her at a neighborhood party a couple of years later. I was a going into my junior year of college. She told me she still had the note hanging above her desk.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:23 am

    Quoting author51:
    Lacking in tact and common sense by the sounds of it..Good for you for tearing a strip off her..lol
You kind of have to instill policy in some people right from the start. They will keep pushing that boundary if you do not. I see it all the time in areas at work with the weaker leaders who can't discipline their staff.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 3:21 am

    Quoting ProfessorNaught:
    Couldn't finish with all the laughing - coupled with the pity of management blues
At times... I almost feel like we're glorified babysitters.


mufdiver69er2 59M  
1309 posts
5/29/2020 3:18 am

professionally i get it....but do you hear yourself? yada yada younger generation...you finally did it...turned into your parents...whatever will this world come to.....lmfao....

woop woop


author51 57F  
94409 posts
5/29/2020 2:18 am

Lacking in tact and common sense by the sounds of it..Good for you for tearing a strip off her..lol

One can never have enough JOY in their life...


ProfessorNaught 107M
1150 posts
5/29/2020 1:16 am

Couldn't finish with all the laughing - coupled with the pity of management blues


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 12:32 am

    Quoting easy_going2014:
    Hi secret_lade

    thanks for sharing another interesting post

    when I was much younger, I worked at Safeway from 10th grade thru College in different capacities. Dress code was part of the hiring process. If you agreed to work for them, then you agreed to a code of conduct and a dress code, as well as the business policies in place.

    But, there were always situations that popped up.

    have a great day!

    be safe

    Tracy Byrd - "Baby Put Your Clothes On"

    Baby put your clothes on, put on those brand new shoes
    I wanna take you downtown, I gotta little blues to lose
    I wanna see you dancing, swinging to a country song
    I love to show you off, baby put your clothes on
    We been sittin 'round here hardly doin' nothin'
    I think we need a little bit of belt-buckle rubbin'
    Where the lights are low and the music's fine
    Wouldn't hurt us none to have a little you and me time
    Baby put your clothes on, paint up those pretty lips
    Put on those cool blue jeans, the ones that ride low on your hips
    You know you make their heads turn
    Little girl you look so strong
    I love to show you off, baby put your clothes on
The phrase "dress for success" is lost on the youngers.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 12:28 am

    Quoting lonlyforlove2:
    She wont last, when one doesn't have the forethought to be dressed at work they just wont last.. Maybe she cold model clothes somewhere.
    Just have a god day and be safe..
You have a good day and be safe as well!


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/29/2020 12:26 am

    Quoting mc_justmc:
    I would say if "nosehairs" is still sprouting nosehairs, he is NOT reading this blog. When we get a new employee at work I let them know they will be referred to as the "FNG" until they are replaced by the next "fucking new guy".
Good point.... I've stopped looking at them anymore, I'm going to have to look.

I've hired so many people since COVID started, the FNG is only new for a few short days. I've added about 56 people to our staff.


easy_going2014 53M
13209 posts
5/28/2020 9:00 pm

Hi secret_lade

thanks for sharing another interesting post

when I was much younger, I worked at Safeway from 10th grade thru College in different capacities. Dress code was part of the hiring process. If you agreed to work for them, then you agreed to a code of conduct and a dress code, as well as the business policies in place.

But, there were always situations that popped up.

have a great day!

be safe

Tracy Byrd - "Baby Put Your Clothes On"

Baby put your clothes on, put on those brand new shoes
I wanna take you downtown, I gotta little blues to lose
I wanna see you dancing, swinging to a country song
I love to show you off, baby put your clothes on
We been sittin 'round here hardly doin' nothin'
I think we need a little bit of belt-buckle rubbin'
Where the lights are low and the music's fine
Wouldn't hurt us none to have a little you and me time
Baby put your clothes on, paint up those pretty lips
Put on those cool blue jeans, the ones that ride low on your hips
You know you make their heads turn
Little girl you look so strong
I love to show you off, baby put your clothes on

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lonlyforlove2 77M
8345 posts
5/28/2020 8:36 pm

She wont last, when one doesn't have the forethought to be dressed at work they just wont last.. Maybe she cold model clothes somewhere.
Just have a god day and be safe..

Be sure to look in at lonlyforlove2 . It may make you smile


mc_justmc 60M
6159 posts
5/28/2020 6:34 pm

I would say if "nosehairs" is still sprouting nosehairs, he is NOT reading this blog. When we get a new employee at work I let them know they will be referred to as the "FNG" until they are replaced by the next "fucking new guy".


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 5:43 pm

    Quoting pagancountrygirl:
    Even after your informative talk with her about her attire and she had the nerve to whine about "nobody told me how to dress"? What the hell was wrong with her just saying "Yes ma'am" and being done with it? The more stories I hear about some of the young people out there these days, the more terrified I become over what the future will be like when common sense is extinct.
I question why their parents aren't teaching them what adult life is really like. I refuse to coddle anyone through their work day. I don't even do that for my own son who works with me. He's nearly an adult, he isn't going to learn unless he experiences things on his own.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 5:35 pm

    Quoting redrockrascal:
    I want in on the office pool - I say she doesn't last a week.

    Good thing is you already know she's not very bright. So you can start to process her term paper work now.
I'm curious to see what she wears tomorrow. I don't give her a week either, I didn't even make an employee file for her.


ULIXBIG 65M
7720 posts
5/28/2020 4:55 pm

O tempora, o mores!


pagancountrygirl 62F
5185 posts
5/28/2020 4:54 pm

Even after your informative talk with her about her attire and she had the nerve to whine about "nobody told me how to dress"? What the hell was wrong with her just saying "Yes ma'am" and being done with it? The more stories I hear about some of the young people out there these days, the more terrified I become over what the future will be like when common sense is extinct.

Pagan
Hmmmm....I know I left that wand around here somewhere!


redrockrascal 61M
21518 posts
5/28/2020 4:48 pm

I want in on the office pool - I say she doesn't last a week.

Good thing is you already know she's not very bright. So you can start to process her term paper work now.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 4:40 pm

Oh my... Lol! True story, I had someone ask me if she was wearing shorts, you couldnt see them under her shirt.


citizen4722 62M  
67095 posts
5/28/2020 4:34 pm

The sheer bloody cheek of if


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 4:34 pm

Very sad indeed!


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 4:34 pm

    Quoting Paulxx001:
    Half naked ? Hmmm... Well that's a '50% almost pass', at least.
    I always liked - where they gave 'marks for participation'.
    That sometimes put me over the top; when I needed it.
I can guarantee if they need guidance on how to dress, they're going to need to be handheld through their work day as they'll stand around clueless until you tell them what to do. Sad fact. I'd rather not have to participate in that. It was bad enough walking her through the computer stuff today.


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 4:28 pm

    Quoting  :

Absolutely!


secret_lade 46F
3693 posts
5/28/2020 4:28 pm

    Quoting CharlesD6996:
    I had a guy show up to work wearing a t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops. We are casual, but not that casual. I informed him that he needed to go home and change. He was provided the handbook prior to his employment and it specifies business casual. The only way that outfit would have been classified as business casual is if he were working as a cabana boy.

    What the fuck is wrong with people today? When you go to a job, it's always better to overdress than underdress.
I'm still in disbelief. I had not one, but TWO new employees show up like that today. In all my years doing this stuff, I've never had that before. I get it, it's nice out.... But come on! Do you see ANY other employees dressed like that?? It's the younger generation, nobody is teaching them about real life.


Lifestooshort474 46M
13 posts
5/28/2020 4:16 pm

Sadly common sense seems to be lost!!


Paulxx001 63M
17058 posts
5/28/2020 4:09 pm

Half naked ? Hmmm... Well that's a '50% almost pass', at least.
I always liked - where they gave 'marks for participation'.
That sometimes put me over the top; when I needed it.

... is there another way to look at it.
We Have Lost Forty Million Good Men WTF


CharlesD6996 50M  
212 posts
5/28/2020 3:52 pm

I had a guy show up to work wearing a t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops. We are casual, but not that casual. I informed him that he needed to go home and change. He was provided the handbook prior to his employment and it specifies business casual. The only way that outfit would have been classified as business casual is if he were working as a cabana boy.

What the fuck is wrong with people today? When you go to a job, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

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